1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:04,174 第三十一品知见不生分须菩提若人言 2 00:00:04,737 --> 00:00:06,625 佛说我见人见众生见 3 00:00:06,625 --> 00:00:09,936 寿者见须菩提于意云 4 00:00:09,936 --> 00:00:12,186 何是人解我所说义 5 00:00:12,186 --> 00:00:16,486 不不也世尊是人不解如来 6 00:00:16,486 --> 00:00:19,937 所说义何以故世尊说我 7 00:00:19,937 --> 00:00:21,786 见人见众生见寿者见 8 00:00:22,350 --> 00:00:24,125 即非我见人见众生见 9 00:00:24,125 --> 00:00:26,125 寿者见是名我见人 10 00:00:26,137 --> 00:00:29,000 见众生见寿者见须菩提 11 00:00:29,562 --> 00:00:34,173 发阿耨多罗三藐三菩提心者于一切法应 12 00:00:34,186 --> 00:00:38,975 如是知如是见如是信解不生 13 00:00:38,975 --> 00:00:43,762 法相须菩提所言法相者如来 14 00:00:43,762 --> 00:00:48,225 说即非法相是名法相见 15 00:00:48,225 --> 00:00:51,825 不是见须菩提若人言佛说我 16 00:00:51,825 --> 00:00:53,673 见人见众生见寿者见 17 00:00:54,237 --> 00:00:57,911 须菩提于意云何是人 18 00:00:57,911 --> 00:00:59,837 解我所说义不佛讲 19 00:00:59,837 --> 00:01:02,649 到这里先问须菩提假使有一个 20 00:01:02,649 --> 00:01:05,337 人说佛说的人见我 21 00:01:05,337 --> 00:01:09,436 见众生见寿者见对不对佛经 22 00:01:09,436 --> 00:01:11,500 上都讲四相这里又转一个 23 00:01:11,512 --> 00:01:14,200 方向提出来的不是相而是见 24 00:01:14,775 --> 00:01:17,150 相就是现象见是自己的 25 00:01:17,174 --> 00:01:21,137 思想见解是属于精神领域所谓见解 26 00:01:21,375 --> 00:01:23,325 就是现在新观念所谓的观点 27 00:01:23,611 --> 00:01:26,674 都属于见所以禅宗的悟道叫做 28 00:01:26,686 --> 00:01:29,474 见道要见到道不是眼睛看见 29 00:01:29,474 --> 00:01:32,150 啊楞严经上讲见道之见 30 00:01:32,412 --> 00:01:35,200 有四句话见见之时见 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 非是见见犹离见见 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,287 不能及你看这个佛经讨厌吧 33 00:01:41,849 --> 00:01:44,424 都是什么见呀见的第一个见 34 00:01:44,724 --> 00:01:46,962 我们眼睛看见的见心与眼 35 00:01:46,962 --> 00:01:50,224 看见第二个是见道的见换句话说 36 00:01:50,549 --> 00:01:53,224 第一个见是所见之见第二个 37 00:01:53,224 --> 00:01:55,299 是能见之见我们眼睛看 38 00:01:55,299 --> 00:01:59,087 东西这是所见这是现象所见 39 00:01:59,087 --> 00:02:02,099 回过来自己能够见道明心见性那个 40 00:02:02,099 --> 00:02:04,512 见不是所见之见不是眼睛 41 00:02:04,537 --> 00:02:07,075 能够看见一个现象或者看见一个境界 42 00:02:07,311 --> 00:02:09,461 那不是道啊所以见见之 43 00:02:09,461 --> 00:02:12,187 时自己回转来看到见道之见 44 00:02:12,437 --> 00:02:15,162 明心见性那个见的时候见非是 45 00:02:15,162 --> 00:02:17,711 见这个能见见道的见 46 00:02:17,961 --> 00:02:19,723 不是眼睛看东西所见的见 47 00:02:20,086 --> 00:02:22,223 故说见非是见那么能 48 00:02:22,223 --> 00:02:24,824 见道的见难道还有一个境界 49 00:02:24,824 --> 00:02:27,723 吗见犹离见当眼睛也 50 00:02:27,723 --> 00:02:29,925 不看耳朵也不听一切皆 51 00:02:29,925 --> 00:02:32,025 空以后说我见道了有 52 00:02:32,025 --> 00:02:34,861 一个见存在还是所见这个见 53 00:02:34,887 --> 00:02:36,812 还是要拿掉见犹离见 54 00:02:37,074 --> 00:02:39,887 还要拿掉空还要空下来见 55 00:02:39,887 --> 00:02:43,525 不能及真正明心见性的见不是眼睛看见 56 00:02:43,525 --> 00:02:45,449 的见不是心眼上有个所 57 00:02:45,449 --> 00:02:47,775 及能见的见说了一 58 00:02:47,775 --> 00:02:50,611 大堆的见多么难懂啊告诉 59 00:02:50,611 --> 00:02:53,699 我们明心见性之见可不是看山不是 60 00:02:53,699 --> 00:02:56,537 山看水不是水青蛙噗通一 61 00:02:56,537 --> 00:02:58,762 声跳进水要一切见无所见 62 00:02:59,037 --> 00:03:02,500 一切山河大地宇宙万有都虚空粉碎 63 00:03:02,836 --> 00:03:05,812 大地平沉那可以谈禅宗了明心见性 64 00:03:05,836 --> 00:03:08,887 有点影子了记着还只是一点 65 00:03:08,900 --> 00:03:11,949 影子啊楞严经上也有几句很重要 66 00:03:11,949 --> 00:03:14,262 的话知见立知即无明 67 00:03:14,262 --> 00:03:17,662 本知见无见斯即涅槃知与 68 00:03:17,662 --> 00:03:20,662 见后来是佛学一个专有名称知 69 00:03:20,687 --> 00:03:22,949 就是知道把佛经道理都懂 70 00:03:22,949 --> 00:03:25,486 了的这个知见也看到过 71 00:03:25,512 --> 00:03:29,211 这个现象境界就是知见道理懂 72 00:03:29,211 --> 00:03:32,287 了你去修行打坐坐起来一切皆空 73 00:03:32,574 --> 00:03:34,861 可是有知性也知道自己坐在 74 00:03:34,861 --> 00:03:37,275 那里很清净但是有一个清净在 75 00:03:37,287 --> 00:03:39,800 就不对了知见立知即无 76 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,412 明本就是无明的根本有 77 00:03:42,412 --> 00:03:44,375 一个清净就会有一个不清净 78 00:03:44,375 --> 00:03:46,961 的力量含藏在里面就有烦恼 79 00:03:46,961 --> 00:03:49,012 的力量在了所以知见立知 80 00:03:49,223 --> 00:03:52,973 即无明本要知见无见最后见到空 81 00:03:53,187 --> 00:03:55,486 斯即涅槃可以达到见的边缘 82 00:03:55,486 --> 00:03:57,650 了知即无明本从前有 83 00:03:57,650 --> 00:04:00,125 好几位大法师就是看经典走禅宗 84 00:04:00,125 --> 00:04:03,348 的路线后来就悟道了所以学 85 00:04:03,348 --> 00:04:06,086 禅不一定是打坐参禅不一定要打坐 86 00:04:06,098 --> 00:04:09,699 参公案参话头宋朝温州瑞鹿寺有 87 00:04:09,699 --> 00:04:12,525 一位遇安禅师天天看佛经念佛 88 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:16,550 他看到前面这一段忽然心血来潮把 89 00:04:16,562 --> 00:04:19,536 原来的句子知见立知即无 90 00:04:19,536 --> 00:04:24,199 明本知见无见斯即涅槃改了 91 00:04:24,211 --> 00:04:27,274 标点变成知见立知即无 92 00:04:27,274 --> 00:04:30,812 明本知见无见斯即涅槃 93 00:04:31,375 --> 00:04:34,661 自己因而大彻大悟后来他自称破楞严 94 00:04:34,949 --> 00:04:37,187 改了圈点破开来读以后自己 95 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:41,949 忽然开悟了大彻大悟明心见性知见立有 96 00:04:41,949 --> 00:04:43,687 知有见有个清净有个 97 00:04:43,699 --> 00:04:46,375 觉性知即无明本这一 98 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:48,911 知本身就是无明本就是 99 00:04:48,925 --> 00:04:52,411 烦恼知见无一切皆空理也 100 00:04:52,411 --> 00:04:55,475 空念也空空也空见 101 00:04:55,475 --> 00:04:58,274 斯即涅槃见到这个就是悟道 102 00:04:58,274 --> 00:05:00,750 了这是他悟了道自己把 103 00:05:00,774 --> 00:05:03,762 楞严破句就懂进去了现在 104 00:05:03,762 --> 00:05:05,875 我们说明了这个道理说了半天 105 00:05:06,062 --> 00:05:07,675 不要把话转开了说我 106 00:05:07,675 --> 00:05:10,699 见人见众生见寿者见 107 00:05:11,074 --> 00:05:14,362 金刚经前面都提四相我相人 108 00:05:14,362 --> 00:05:17,324 相众生相寿者相中间也 109 00:05:17,336 --> 00:05:19,699 提过以色见我以音声 110 00:05:19,699 --> 00:05:23,199 求我是人行邪道不能见如来到 111 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:26,687 这里忽然一转提出见不提出 112 00:05:26,687 --> 00:05:29,987 相相是相茶杯是现象毛巾 113 00:05:30,012 --> 00:05:33,175 是现象书本也是现象我也是现象 114 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:36,550 他也是现象你也是现象山河大地 115 00:05:36,574 --> 00:05:39,425 一切房子都是现象连虚空也是现象 116 00:05:39,612 --> 00:05:42,925 清净也是现象睡觉也是相做梦也是 117 00:05:42,925 --> 00:05:45,512 相醒了也是相一切现象都是 118 00:05:45,524 --> 00:05:49,425 生灭变化所以有些人天天打坐问 119 00:05:49,425 --> 00:05:53,961 他好吗好啊好清净著相 120 00:05:54,524 --> 00:05:57,949 着清净之相相不是道道 121 00:05:57,949 --> 00:06:00,786 不在相中知见立知即无 122 00:06:00,786 --> 00:06:04,050 明本知见无见斯即涅槃 123 00:06:04,612 --> 00:06:06,449 你要立一个清净是道再 124 00:06:06,449 --> 00:06:08,387 加上背上督脉通了前面 125 00:06:08,411 --> 00:06:10,300 任脉通了拿水龙头一开 126 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:13,125 灌进去都通了那不是成道 127 00:06:13,461 --> 00:06:16,336 那都是著相一著相知见 128 00:06:16,336 --> 00:06:18,762 立知即无明本要知 129 00:06:18,774 --> 00:06:21,899 见无见斯即涅槃所以现在 130 00:06:21,911 --> 00:06:24,324 告诉你知见之见是什么他 131 00:06:24,324 --> 00:06:27,661 告诉须菩提假使有人说我提出我 132 00:06:27,661 --> 00:06:30,762 见人见众生见寿者见 133 00:06:31,137 --> 00:06:33,699 你说说看那人了解我所 134 00:06:33,699 --> 00:06:36,161 说的意思没有他这个人还 135 00:06:36,161 --> 00:06:39,324 算真正学佛懂了佛法吗不 136 00:06:39,324 --> 00:06:43,012 也世尊是人不解如来所说 137 00:06:43,012 --> 00:06:46,437 义须菩提说那不对的这个人 138 00:06:46,461 --> 00:06:48,824 虽然学佛根本不通啊不懂 139 00:06:48,850 --> 00:06:53,036 佛法的道理何以故世尊说我 140 00:06:53,036 --> 00:06:54,800 见人见众生见寿者见 141 00:06:55,362 --> 00:06:57,137 即非我见人见众生见 142 00:06:57,137 --> 00:06:59,161 寿者见是名我见人 143 00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:00,550 见众生见寿者见 144 00:07:01,050 --> 00:07:03,387 那么佛也跟着说你现在提出 145 00:07:03,387 --> 00:07:05,298 来一个假定的问题问我我 146 00:07:05,298 --> 00:07:08,524 见人见众生见寿者见 147 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,786 见道之见这只是一个讲话 148 00:07:10,786 --> 00:07:13,112 上的方便假设有这么一个见处 149 00:07:13,348 --> 00:07:15,687 一个明心见性见道之见那也 150 00:07:15,699 --> 00:07:18,012 只是一个表达的方法而已一个揭穿 151 00:07:18,024 --> 00:07:21,175 真义的名词而已实际上啊明 152 00:07:21,375 --> 00:07:24,612 无可明处见无可见处所以 153 00:07:24,625 --> 00:07:28,125 叫做我见人见众生见寿 154 00:07:28,125 --> 00:07:33,125 者见如是知见须菩提发阿耨多罗三藐三菩提心 155 00:07:33,125 --> 00:07:38,024 者于一切法应如是知如是见 156 00:07:38,586 --> 00:07:42,199 如是信解不生法相佛告诉 157 00:07:42,211 --> 00:07:44,786 须菩提最后的结论你要注意啊 158 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:49,750 真正学大乘佛法发阿耨多罗三藐三菩提想求得 159 00:07:49,774 --> 00:07:52,862 大彻大悟的人于一切法包括世间 160 00:07:52,862 --> 00:07:56,173 法出世间法应如是知要了解 161 00:07:56,187 --> 00:07:58,536 知道金刚经这些一层一层的 162 00:07:58,548 --> 00:08:02,423 道理如是见要有这样一个见解所以 163 00:08:02,449 --> 00:08:05,923 有知有见知见两个字再加一个说明 164 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:08,774 一切大小乘的佛法尤其是小乘的 165 00:08:08,787 --> 00:08:13,423 佛法是戒定慧解脱解脱知见 166 00:08:13,673 --> 00:08:17,111 五个次序按次序来修行先守戒 167 00:08:17,387 --> 00:08:20,236 再修定再由定发慧悟道真 168 00:08:20,236 --> 00:08:23,223 的悟道了解脱一切苦厄但是解脱 169 00:08:23,223 --> 00:08:25,875 的最高程度仍是物质世间一切的 170 00:08:25,887 --> 00:08:28,586 束缚当这些欲界色界一切 171 00:08:28,586 --> 00:08:31,074 的烦恼情感都解脱光了以后 172 00:08:31,361 --> 00:08:33,437 还有个东西就是心性的所知 173 00:08:33,450 --> 00:08:35,349 所见这个知与见仍要 174 00:08:35,361 --> 00:08:38,261 解脱最后要彻底的空刚才举 175 00:08:38,261 --> 00:08:40,062 出来知见立知即无明 176 00:08:40,062 --> 00:08:42,761 本知见无见斯即涅槃 177 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,625 这里也讲发大乘心想由 178 00:08:45,649 --> 00:08:48,386 凡夫修道而成佛应该对一切法 179 00:08:48,724 --> 00:08:53,173 如是知如是见如是怎么知怎么见呢 180 00:08:53,736 --> 00:08:56,511 所谓佛法者即非佛法是名 181 00:08:56,524 --> 00:09:00,173 佛法那么所谓外道者即非外道 182 00:09:00,423 --> 00:09:03,261 是名外道所谓魔鬼者即非 183 00:09:03,274 --> 00:09:06,086 魔鬼是名魔鬼所谓我者即 184 00:09:06,086 --> 00:09:08,500 非我是名我就是这 185 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:12,473 一套一切整个归纳起来空有都不住 186 00:09:12,824 --> 00:09:16,187 无住无著所以一切法应 187 00:09:16,187 --> 00:09:19,861 如是知如是见你理解了也见到了 188 00:09:19,886 --> 00:09:22,924 这个道理如是信解理性上清楚 189 00:09:22,924 --> 00:09:25,875 了才是不迷信如果佛法的教理 190 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:28,074 都没有弄清楚情绪化跑来 191 00:09:28,098 --> 00:09:31,687 学佛参禅全体是迷信所以把 192 00:09:31,699 --> 00:09:34,912 知见搞清楚了如是信才是正信 193 00:09:35,473 --> 00:09:38,886 如是解正信以后由这样去理解它 194 00:09:39,174 --> 00:09:41,961 这才是理性的学佛修道是理性 195 00:09:41,961 --> 00:09:44,736 的不是情感的不是盲目地迷信 196 00:09:44,961 --> 00:09:47,574 是理性地如是信解我们自己 197 00:09:47,574 --> 00:09:50,500 的法相为什么说不生法相为什么 198 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:52,324 不说不用法相或者不住 199 00:09:52,324 --> 00:09:54,961 法相不著法相不落法相呢 200 00:09:55,524 --> 00:09:57,586 这些字都不用而用不生 201 00:09:57,598 --> 00:10:01,049 法相这是有区别的首先我们要 202 00:10:01,049 --> 00:10:04,861 了解什么叫法相一切的现象观念 203 00:10:04,961 --> 00:10:07,562 都是现象是意识思想构成的一个 204 00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:10,537 形态每个人意识里都有自己一个 205 00:10:10,549 --> 00:10:14,162 构想幻想幻想久了变成牢不可破的 206 00:10:14,174 --> 00:10:16,074 一个典型自己就把它抓得 207 00:10:16,086 --> 00:10:18,611 牢牢的这个就是意识思想境界 208 00:10:18,611 --> 00:10:20,687 里的形态在佛学名词里叫做 209 00:10:20,687 --> 00:10:23,736 法法包括了一切事一切理 210 00:10:23,973 --> 00:10:27,336 一切物一切思想观念譬如大家认为 211 00:10:27,361 --> 00:10:30,812 大彻大悟一片光明都在清净光明中 212 00:10:31,049 --> 00:10:33,662 在一般人心目中下意识已经构成 213 00:10:33,662 --> 00:10:35,787 一个形态认为悟了道打起坐 214 00:10:35,787 --> 00:10:38,412 来大概内外一片光连电力公司的 215 00:10:38,424 --> 00:10:41,449 发电机都可以不要了把光明看成 216 00:10:41,473 --> 00:10:45,223 电灯光太阳光月亮光那样下意识 217 00:10:45,223 --> 00:10:47,674 地构成法相构成一个形态在那里 218 00:10:48,236 --> 00:10:52,098 又譬如说悟道以后大概什么都不要什么 219 00:10:52,111 --> 00:10:54,324 也都不想干一切一切都不管 220 00:10:54,674 --> 00:10:56,799 跑到古庙深山孤零零地坐 221 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:59,473 在那里就以为成佛了如果成 222 00:10:59,473 --> 00:11:01,461 了这样的佛的话世上多成 223 00:11:01,486 --> 00:11:04,024 一千个佛对我们也没有关系山 224 00:11:04,024 --> 00:11:06,174 里早有得是佛许多石头 225 00:11:06,625 --> 00:11:09,412 泥巴摆在那里从开天辟地到现在 226 00:11:09,611 --> 00:11:12,574 都可以叫做佛反正它们对一切 227 00:11:12,574 --> 00:11:15,062 事物一切出世入世的一概不理 228 00:11:15,625 --> 00:11:18,687 换句话说那是绝对的自我看起来很 229 00:11:18,687 --> 00:11:21,875 解脱一切事物不著实际上是自我 230 00:11:22,149 --> 00:11:25,250 为了自我而已认为我要这样因为 231 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:27,687 他下意识的意识形态有了这个法相 232 00:11:28,261 --> 00:11:30,500 一般人打坐入定什么都不知道 233 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:33,875 了那不是佛法那是你的 234 00:11:33,899 --> 00:11:37,199 意识形态是你造作了这个法相乃至于 235 00:11:37,199 --> 00:11:39,574 说一切空了就是佛空 236 00:11:39,586 --> 00:11:43,062 也是个法相是个现象有些人任督二脉 237 00:11:43,074 --> 00:11:45,225 打通了奇经八脉打通了 238 00:11:45,449 --> 00:11:48,625 河车大转也都是法相我经常 239 00:11:48,625 --> 00:11:51,237 问你转河车转到什么时候 240 00:11:51,237 --> 00:11:53,250 啊不要把自己转昏了头 241 00:11:53,812 --> 00:11:55,649 你转转总有不转的时候 242 00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:58,225 吧转到什么时候才不转呢 243 00:11:58,787 --> 00:12:00,850 任督二脉打通了通到哪里 244 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:02,961 去呢通到阴沟里去吗 245 00:12:03,524 --> 00:12:06,336 还是通到电力公司还是通到上帝 246 00:12:06,336 --> 00:12:08,761 菩萨那里你都要搞清楚啊 247 00:12:09,324 --> 00:12:12,187 可是我们许多人不知不觉地都落 248 00:12:12,187 --> 00:12:14,899 在自我的法相里了自我意识形成 249 00:12:14,912 --> 00:12:16,961 一个道的观念一个道的样子 250 00:12:17,261 --> 00:12:19,912 一个道的模型由此我们就明白 251 00:12:20,324 --> 00:12:22,912 为什么世界上的宗教因民族不同 252 00:12:22,912 --> 00:12:25,112 国家不同所画的天堂也都 253 00:12:25,125 --> 00:12:27,961 不同我们的天堂是穿大袍子 254 00:12:27,987 --> 00:12:30,612 古代帝王相的人一切房子都是 255 00:12:30,625 --> 00:12:33,912 中国古时候的西方人的天堂是洋房 256 00:12:34,350 --> 00:12:36,524 他的神和上帝也是高鼻子蓝 257 00:12:36,524 --> 00:12:39,750 眼睛阿拉伯人画的另有不同所以 258 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:42,350 说天堂是根据自己的心理形态 259 00:12:42,362 --> 00:12:45,237 构成的谁能去证明呢这些 260 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:48,836 都是自己心理下意识构成的法相佛教 261 00:12:48,862 --> 00:12:52,250 唯识宗也称为法相宗法相宗是先从 262 00:12:52,274 --> 00:12:55,949 现象界开始分析研究现象界也就是世间一切 263 00:12:55,949 --> 00:12:58,500 事所谓的一切法最后研究到 264 00:12:58,524 --> 00:13:01,549 心理状态研究到心性的本来以至于 265 00:13:01,562 --> 00:13:05,412 证到整个宇宙也就是说法相宗从现有 266 00:13:05,412 --> 00:13:07,812 的人生现有的世界的相加以 267 00:13:07,812 --> 00:13:10,500 分析归之于心然后返回到 268 00:13:10,524 --> 00:13:12,687 形而上的本体如果套一句 269 00:13:12,711 --> 00:13:14,937 佛学的名词来讲这是从自己的 270 00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:17,674 身心入手进而打破了身心证到 271 00:13:17,674 --> 00:13:18,487 形而上的本体 272 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,761 华严宗不同于法相宗是先从形 273 00:13:21,761 --> 00:13:23,750 而上的宇宙观开始从大而 274 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:26,474 无比的宇宙慢慢收缩最后会之 275 00:13:26,474 --> 00:13:28,500 于心是使你由本体而 276 00:13:28,511 --> 00:13:31,323 了解自己普通的佛学是由你 277 00:13:31,336 --> 00:13:33,875 自己而了解了本体这是两个不同 278 00:13:33,875 --> 00:13:36,125 的教育方法我们必须要弄清楚 279 00:13:36,674 --> 00:13:39,312 这些不同的路线不同的方法佛学 280 00:13:39,312 --> 00:13:43,299 的名词就叫做法相一切法相现在 281 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:46,125 金刚经快要结束了告诉我们一个道理 282 00:13:46,336 --> 00:13:49,736 非常严重的道理佛告诉须菩提你 283 00:13:49,736 --> 00:13:53,187 想证得无上菩提大彻大悟而成佛你 284 00:13:53,187 --> 00:13:55,475 应该这个样子知道应该这样去看 285 00:13:55,475 --> 00:13:58,787 清楚理解清楚应该这样子相信这样去 286 00:13:58,787 --> 00:14:02,899 理解怎么理解呢一句话不生法相 287 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,636 你心里不要造作一个东西你的 288 00:14:05,649 --> 00:14:07,475 下意识中不要生出来一个佛的 289 00:14:07,486 --> 00:14:10,524 样子每个人心里所理解的佛所 290 00:14:10,524 --> 00:14:12,774 理解的道所理解清净涅槃的 291 00:14:12,787 --> 00:14:15,662 境界都各不相同为什么不同呢 292 00:14:16,225 --> 00:14:18,575 是你唯心所造你自己生 293 00:14:18,575 --> 00:14:21,548 出来的是此心所生所以 294 00:14:21,636 --> 00:14:24,011 你不要自生法相不要再去 295 00:14:24,011 --> 00:14:27,474 找不要构成一个自我意识的观念譬如 296 00:14:27,586 --> 00:14:30,000 我们上同样一个课一百个同学中 297 00:14:30,375 --> 00:14:32,537 各人理解的深浅程度都不相同 298 00:14:32,923 --> 00:14:35,336 因为每人心里自生法相自己构成 299 00:14:35,336 --> 00:14:37,849 一个现象都非究竟这就是 300 00:14:37,875 --> 00:14:42,111 佛经上说众盲摸象各执一端的道理尽管 301 00:14:42,136 --> 00:14:45,736 瞎子摸象各执一端可是摸的那一端也 302 00:14:45,736 --> 00:14:48,250 都是象的部分并没有错只 303 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:51,062 能够说每人抓到一点合起来 304 00:14:51,086 --> 00:14:53,412 才是整个的象要想完全了解 305 00:14:53,437 --> 00:14:55,812 整个大象的话佛告诉我们的是 306 00:14:55,836 --> 00:14:59,312 不生法相一切不著下面佛 307 00:14:59,312 --> 00:15:02,250 又推翻了我要过去你过来 308 00:15:02,349 --> 00:15:07,062 须菩提所言法相者如来说即 309 00:15:07,086 --> 00:15:10,812 非法相是名法相佛经所说 310 00:15:10,812 --> 00:15:13,625 的法相根本就不是法相所以叫做 311 00:15:13,649 --> 00:15:17,187 法相这个话在金刚经上常说 312 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,386 道理在哪里那些都是教育上的 313 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,412 方法等于过河的船目的是使 314 00:15:23,412 --> 00:15:25,750 你过河已经过了河就不要 315 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:27,586 把船背着走要赶紧把船 316 00:15:27,598 --> 00:15:31,774 丢下走自己的路佛经三藏十二部各种各样的 317 00:15:31,787 --> 00:15:35,000 说法有时候说空有时候说有有时候 318 00:15:35,011 --> 00:15:37,098 说非空非有有时候又说 319 00:15:37,125 --> 00:15:38,824 即空即有究竟哪一样对 320 00:15:38,824 --> 00:15:41,674 呢哪一样都对都不对要 321 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:44,787 你自己不生法相讲一个法相包括 322 00:15:44,787 --> 00:15:47,812 了各种现象譬如唯识宗除了把心 323 00:15:47,812 --> 00:15:49,861 的部分分成八个识来讲外 324 00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:52,662 再把心理活动的现象纲领原则性 325 00:15:52,687 --> 00:15:56,187 加以归纳成为一百个法如果详细分析 326 00:15:56,187 --> 00:15:59,136 起来当然不止一百个可是后世一般人 327 00:15:59,162 --> 00:16:01,386 研究唯识就钻进去爬不出来 328 00:16:01,386 --> 00:16:03,674 了这些人钻到什么境界里头 329 00:16:03,674 --> 00:16:06,187 了呢钻到有钻到一切 330 00:16:06,187 --> 00:16:07,511 法胜义有的法相里去 331 00:16:07,511 --> 00:16:10,287 了就像龙树菩萨讲般若拿 332 00:16:10,287 --> 00:16:13,086 空来比方与法相唯识宗的教育方法 333 00:16:13,098 --> 00:16:15,899 不同可是一般人研究般若又落 334 00:16:15,899 --> 00:16:17,899 到空的法相里去了所以 335 00:16:17,899 --> 00:16:20,861 说任何法相都不能住都不是 336 00:16:21,424 --> 00:16:24,250 佛最后告诉我们所谓法相即非 337 00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:27,011 法相那只是讲话的方便机会的 338 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:29,424 方便教育上的方便目的是使 339 00:16:29,424 --> 00:16:32,074 你懂得如果这样不懂他换 340 00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:35,261 另一个方法总是想办法使我们懂得 341 00:16:35,836 --> 00:16:37,711 可是后世的人把他的教育 342 00:16:37,711 --> 00:16:40,287 方法记录下来以后死死抓住他说 343 00:16:40,287 --> 00:16:42,111 过的那个空或拼命抓个 344 00:16:42,111 --> 00:16:45,912 有永远搞不清楚事实上佛交代得很 345 00:16:45,912 --> 00:16:48,774 清楚一切不落法相不落法相 346 00:16:48,787 --> 00:16:52,074 以后大家反而都说金刚经是说空 347 00:16:52,074 --> 00:16:55,336 的前面我们已经说过金刚经没有 348 00:16:55,336 --> 00:16:57,674 任何重点是教我们观空金刚经 349 00:16:57,736 --> 00:16:59,586 都是遮法挡住你不正确的 350 00:16:59,598 --> 00:17:01,899 说法至于正确的是个什么东西要 351 00:17:01,899 --> 00:17:05,375 你自己去找记得金刚经开始的 352 00:17:05,375 --> 00:17:08,011 时候我曾经提到过禅宗的两个 353 00:17:08,025 --> 00:17:10,461 公案一个是儿子跟父亲学小偷 354 00:17:10,737 --> 00:17:13,412 对不对还有一个是坐牢的那个公案 355 00:17:13,836 --> 00:17:17,025 现在再说一个禅宗故事有一个年轻人 356 00:17:17,136 --> 00:17:20,324 出家学佛求道想要开悟跟着师父 357 00:17:20,348 --> 00:17:23,412 几十年这位师父总是对他非常 358 00:17:23,412 --> 00:17:26,936 严厉生活行为都管得非常严 359 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:29,961 但是一问到佛法师父总不肯 360 00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:32,299 说这个人就像我们现在青年人 361 00:17:32,324 --> 00:17:35,074 学佛一样好像找到一位老师马上 362 00:17:35,074 --> 00:17:36,836 就有妙诀告诉他传你一个 363 00:17:36,836 --> 00:17:38,625 咒子啰或者传你一个方法 364 00:17:39,037 --> 00:17:41,086 今天一打坐明天就会飞了 365 00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:43,375 就成佛了自己意识中构成了 366 00:17:43,398 --> 00:17:46,061 这样一个法相这个人的心理也是 367 00:17:46,061 --> 00:17:48,949 如此可是这个师父呢问到他 368 00:17:48,974 --> 00:17:52,174 真正佛法时就说你自己参 369 00:17:52,174 --> 00:17:56,375 去自己研究去他自己暗想十二三岁 370 00:17:56,386 --> 00:17:59,849 出家天天求佛道搞了几十年这个 371 00:17:59,862 --> 00:18:02,773 老师嘛是天下有名的大老师 372 00:18:02,936 --> 00:18:05,612 是有道之士跟着他却辛苦得要命 373 00:18:05,862 --> 00:18:08,074 佛法也没有传给他一点心中 374 00:18:08,099 --> 00:18:11,125 真烦恼有一天他想了一个办法 375 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,750 带了一把小刀上山师父快要 376 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:15,912 走这一条小路回来了小路只能 377 00:18:15,912 --> 00:18:17,737 走一个人他就站在路口 378 00:18:17,737 --> 00:18:20,936 等师父回来那天下雨山上路滑 379 00:18:20,936 --> 00:18:23,136 难走他看见师父低着头 380 00:18:23,386 --> 00:18:25,773 慢慢走到了其实他师父大概 381 00:18:25,773 --> 00:18:27,724 早知道这家伙在那里他以为 382 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:30,237 师父不知道看到师父过来了就 383 00:18:30,237 --> 00:18:32,398 一把抓住师父说师父啊我 384 00:18:32,398 --> 00:18:35,174 告诉你我几十年求法你不肯告诉 385 00:18:35,174 --> 00:18:37,648 我今天我不要命了说着就 386 00:18:37,648 --> 00:18:39,612 把刀拿出来你再不告诉我 387 00:18:39,636 --> 00:18:41,949 佛法的话师父啊我要杀 388 00:18:41,949 --> 00:18:45,011 了你这个师父很从容手里 389 00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:47,362 还拿把雨伞看他这个样子 390 00:18:47,549 --> 00:18:48,961 就用手一把抓住他拿 391 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:51,261 刀的手说喂路很窄 392 00:18:51,636 --> 00:18:54,287 我要过去你过来师父把他 393 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:57,099 拉过来自己就过去了他听到我 394 00:18:57,099 --> 00:19:00,773 要过去你过来就忽然大彻大悟了 395 00:19:01,099 --> 00:19:03,737 我们大家参参看我要过去你 396 00:19:03,737 --> 00:19:06,737 过来这一句话他就悟道了这个 397 00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:08,950 理由在什么地方这个就是所谓 398 00:19:08,973 --> 00:19:12,436 禅宗公案现在大家很难找出答案我 399 00:19:12,436 --> 00:19:14,098 说的也不是真的答案只能 400 00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:15,936 打个比方给你听我们大家 401 00:19:15,961 --> 00:19:18,699 学佛最困难心中的烦恼身体上 402 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:21,023 的感觉坐起来腿发麻不坐 403 00:19:21,023 --> 00:19:23,474 时心里烦恼不断很想求到 404 00:19:23,487 --> 00:19:26,849 清净清净永远求不到烦恼不断 405 00:19:27,186 --> 00:19:29,549 自己问自己怎么办你自己里面的 406 00:19:29,561 --> 00:19:31,936 师父一定告诉你我要过去你 407 00:19:31,936 --> 00:19:34,273 过来烦恼跑过了就是清净 408 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:37,200 过去心不可得现在心不可得 409 00:19:37,561 --> 00:19:40,487 未来心不可得不生法相应 410 00:19:40,487 --> 00:19:42,362 无所住而生其心就 411 00:19:42,362 --> 00:19:45,686 那么简单所以说我要过去你 412 00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:47,737 过来这一条路根本是通的 413 00:19:48,011 --> 00:19:50,586 烦恼即是菩提哪里有个烦恼 414 00:19:50,686 --> 00:19:52,912 永远停留在心中呢你要是去 415 00:19:52,912 --> 00:19:55,287 想办法把烦恼空掉求个 416 00:19:55,298 --> 00:19:57,487 清净你不就是那个师父跟 417 00:19:57,487 --> 00:19:59,825 徒弟永远堵在路上走不过来 418 00:19:59,825 --> 00:20:01,761 了吗你看人家的教育法 419 00:20:01,787 --> 00:20:05,048 很简单我要过去你过来也 420 00:20:05,048 --> 00:20:07,173 不理刀也不理徒弟这个 421 00:20:07,186 --> 00:20:09,961 徒弟就清楚了就悟道了可见 422 00:20:10,075 --> 00:20:12,711 他平常都在自生法相都是 423 00:20:12,723 --> 00:20:14,336 著了一个佛的观念著了 424 00:20:14,348 --> 00:20:17,112 一个道的观念人生最怕是着魔 425 00:20:17,362 --> 00:20:20,098 实际上你学了佛法学了道 426 00:20:20,461 --> 00:20:22,511 把道跟佛法捆起来你正是 427 00:20:22,525 --> 00:20:24,811 着魔了着了佛魔着了 428 00:20:24,825 --> 00:20:27,025 道魔着了功夫魔着了 429 00:20:27,037 --> 00:20:31,112 清净魔清净也是魔啊所以禅宗 430 00:20:31,112 --> 00:20:33,987 祖师有几句话起心动念是天魔 431 00:20:34,275 --> 00:20:36,825 什么是天魔是你的起心动念 432 00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:40,162 而已你自己生的法相不起心动念 433 00:20:40,162 --> 00:20:43,048 是阴魔大家注意啊很多人都 434 00:20:43,048 --> 00:20:44,775 落在这个魔境光想打 435 00:20:44,775 --> 00:20:46,836 起坐来什么都不知道以为什么 436 00:20:46,848 --> 00:20:48,575 都不知道是入定那个是不 437 00:20:48,575 --> 00:20:51,525 起心动念不起心动念落在五阴境界 438 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:53,950 是阴魔倒起不起是烦恼 439 00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:57,000 魔有时候好像很清净你觉得很 440 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,436 清净吗有时候又觉得心里头好像有 441 00:21:00,436 --> 00:21:04,011 一点游丝杂念可是也不要紧可是也迷迷糊糊 442 00:21:04,362 --> 00:21:05,750 这个就是倒起不起烦恼 443 00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:09,787 魔无明之魔说什么走火入魔魔 444 00:21:09,787 --> 00:21:12,362 从哪里来魔完全是自心所 445 00:21:12,362 --> 00:21:15,737 造没有其他的东西起心动念是天 446 00:21:15,737 --> 00:21:19,237 魔不起心动念是阴魔倒起不 447 00:21:19,237 --> 00:21:23,287 起是烦恼魔如此而已佛学把魔境 448 00:21:23,311 --> 00:21:25,799 分析得很清楚禅宗的大师们 449 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:28,386 是用归纳的方法非常简单扼要 450 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,211 告诉你实际上这些心理的状况这些 451 00:21:32,223 --> 00:21:36,261 境界都是自生法相由此更进一步说我们 452 00:21:36,275 --> 00:21:38,136 佛学越学多了唯识研究到 453 00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:40,973 最后佛经三藏十二部都学了你 454 00:21:40,973 --> 00:21:42,549 越学得多越被法相的 455 00:21:42,561 --> 00:21:44,436 绳子捆得紧都是着了法相 456 00:21:45,011 --> 00:21:47,686 所以在快要作结论的时候佛 457 00:21:47,686 --> 00:21:50,275 告诉我们不生法相才是最究竟 458 00:21:50,836 --> 00:21:53,598 我们给它的结论偈子第三十一品偈 459 00:21:53,598 --> 00:21:55,586 颂九霄鹤唳响无痕泣 460 00:21:55,586 --> 00:21:57,924 血杜鹃落尽魂谱到狮 461 00:21:57,924 --> 00:22:00,787 弦声断续为谁辛苦唱荒村 462 00:22:01,348 --> 00:22:04,199 这是一个感想在座的人要是到 463 00:22:04,199 --> 00:22:06,324 过西北和中国的高山或到 464 00:22:06,324 --> 00:22:09,299 过青城山峨眉山可能会听到白鹤的 465 00:22:09,311 --> 00:22:12,174 叫声中国文字很妙鸡叫是 466 00:22:12,174 --> 00:22:14,699 啼鸟叫是鸣虎叫是 467 00:22:14,699 --> 00:22:17,799 啸表示不同的声音形态白鹤叫 468 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:20,250 称为鹤唳白鹤是在高空叫 469 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:22,674 的声音像打锣一样传得很 470 00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:24,662 远所以这个鸟与其他的鸟 471 00:22:24,686 --> 00:22:28,348 特别不同九霄鹤唳响无痕就是说 472 00:22:28,625 --> 00:22:30,949 佛的说法像九重天上的白鹤 473 00:22:31,199 --> 00:22:34,449 叫声响彻云霄要叫醒世界上所有人 474 00:22:34,449 --> 00:22:37,487 的迷梦但是我们有没有被他叫 475 00:22:37,487 --> 00:22:39,787 醒呢世界上许多人是叫 476 00:22:39,787 --> 00:22:41,561 不醒的想一想真够 477 00:22:41,574 --> 00:22:46,000 伤心结果千里迢迢去学佛不论在家出家都 478 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,261 变成杜鹃鸟一样泣血杜鹃落尽魂 479 00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:52,237 据说杜鹃是上古一个因亡国而 480 00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:54,636 伤心到极点的帝子因为天天哭 481 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,375 后来他的精魂变成杜鹃鸟还在 482 00:22:57,375 --> 00:23:00,525 哭哭到最后眼睛流血滴在 483 00:23:00,537 --> 00:23:03,612 泥土上变成现在的杜鹃花杜鹃另 484 00:23:03,612 --> 00:23:06,162 有很多的名字也叫杜宇也 485 00:23:06,162 --> 00:23:08,424 叫帝子就是蜀国皇帝的儿子 486 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,961 我们后世学佛学道的都是杜鹃 487 00:23:11,186 --> 00:23:14,625 抛家弃子专心学佛到最后道的影子 488 00:23:14,650 --> 00:23:17,737 都没有看到只怪自己没有遇到明师没有 489 00:23:17,737 --> 00:23:21,349 碰到佛没有得到法其实佛法是 490 00:23:21,362 --> 00:23:24,824 最平凡最简单佛在金刚经上 491 00:23:24,849 --> 00:23:26,824 都说完了谱到狮弦 492 00:23:26,824 --> 00:23:30,000 声断续金刚经等于狮子之弦用 493 00:23:30,011 --> 00:23:31,599 狮子身上的筋作弦的琴 494 00:23:31,862 --> 00:23:34,148 它发出的琴声百兽听到都会 495 00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:37,049 头痛再重一点百兽听到脑子都 496 00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:39,474 裂了因为狮子是百兽之王 497 00:23:40,023 --> 00:23:41,750 佛说的法是哲学里的 498 00:23:41,761 --> 00:23:44,686 哲学经典里的经典世界上真正 499 00:23:44,686 --> 00:23:47,299 形而上的道法直截了当全部都 500 00:23:47,299 --> 00:23:49,824 告诉我们了但是我们不知道这个 501 00:23:49,836 --> 00:23:52,261 琴谱弹到狮子之弦这个声音 502 00:23:52,287 --> 00:23:56,686 弹的金刚经也好法华经也好华严经 503 00:23:56,787 --> 00:23:59,599 也好断断续续都弹给我们听了 504 00:23:59,949 --> 00:24:01,912 高明的歌曲统统唱给我们听 505 00:24:01,912 --> 00:24:04,574 了我们还是不懂等于一个叫花子 506 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,936 沿门唱莲花落一样唱了半天 507 00:24:06,961 --> 00:24:09,511 没有人理人不觉得好听为 508 00:24:09,511 --> 00:24:12,523 谁辛苦唱荒村啊这是对释迦牟尼 509 00:24:12,523 --> 00:24:16,174 佛幽默一下实际上我真为释迦牟尼 510 00:24:16,174 --> 00:24:18,586 佛一洒同情之泪他讲 511 00:24:18,586 --> 00:24:20,987 到三十一品了快讲完了有 512 00:24:20,987 --> 00:24:23,112 谁懂得他呢他又何必在 513 00:24:23,112 --> 00:24:25,636 那里讲呢为谁辛苦唱荒村 514 00:24:25,636 --> 00:24:28,412 啊再唱一遍也没有用因为 515 00:24:28,436 --> 00:24:31,648 知音难遇啊永远不懂实际上 516 00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,924 他说得最亲切最平凡我们 517 00:24:34,936 --> 00:24:36,261 现在再一次回过头来看 518 00:24:36,636 --> 00:24:39,799 金刚经最开始第一个重点是三个字 519 00:24:40,037 --> 00:24:44,061 善护念凡夫也好成佛也好只有一个 520 00:24:44,074 --> 00:24:47,174 法门就是善护念护什么念 521 00:24:47,737 --> 00:24:50,862 无所住怎么无所住很 522 00:24:50,862 --> 00:24:53,574 简单不生法相成了佛的 523 00:24:53,574 --> 00:24:56,711 人怎么样呢也是一样也是吃饭穿 524 00:24:56,711 --> 00:24:59,436 衣饭吃饱了洗脚打坐 525 00:24:59,636 --> 00:25:01,862 就是那么平凡没有什么头上 526 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:06,125 放光啦心窝子放光啦六种神通啦 527 00:25:06,686 --> 00:25:09,061 都不来吃饭穿衣敷座 528 00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:12,586 而坐然后你问话他答复就 529 00:25:12,586 --> 00:25:15,625 是那么简单金刚经就是平凡里头 530 00:25:15,625 --> 00:25:17,773 的真实平凡里头的超脱