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第二十五品化无所化分须菩提于

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意云何汝等勿谓如来

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作是念我当度众生须菩

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提莫作是念何以故实

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无有众生如来度者若有

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众生如来度者如来即有我

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人众生寿者须菩提如来说

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有我者即非有我而

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凡夫之人以为有我须菩提

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凡夫者如来说即非凡夫是

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名凡夫有教无类金刚经快要作整部

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的结论了化无所化什么

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叫化在唐以前多半的佛经

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用这个化字唐宋以后用

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度人度也好化也好反正度也

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度不了化也很难化到元明时代

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干脆两个字合起来叫做度化这个

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度化实际上就是教育了化也就是

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感化人变化人须菩提于意云

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何汝等勿谓如来作是

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念我当度众生这也是佛

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自己讲告诉须菩提你认为怎么样汝

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等勿谓你们千万不要讲佛

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说过这个话说过什么话

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呢我当度众生认为佛说

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过要度一切众生你看佛是

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很妙的你仔细把金刚经研究

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他的一生许多事情在金刚经里

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通通否认了说法四十九年他在金刚经

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里却说没有说过一句话这是他

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讲的啊这个金刚经摆在我们

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面前他本来发愿要度众生现在

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又否认了嘿你不要搞错

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了你们不要那么想啊你们千万

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不要那么想认为我要度一切众生

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这是文字的解释须菩提莫作是

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念何以故实无有众生如来

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度者若有众生如来度者

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如来即有我人众生寿者

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须菩提莫作是念千万不可以

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有这个观念上面已经讲了下面

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还要很肯定地重复莫作是

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念千万不要有这种想法好了

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我们现在记住他的话你不要

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磕头说佛啊你来度我

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他老人家不承认他现在很忙

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在那里入涅槃你也莫作

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是念不要这样想什么理由呢

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实无有众生如来度者这个

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话严重了刚才我们还用笑话

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的办法来说佛一切否认了下面

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进一步告诉我们理由听得我们都

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有一点五里雾中了什么理由啊世界

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上实实在在没有一个众生需要佛来

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度的你注意啊没有一个人

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需要佛来度的这是佛自己

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说的若有众生如来度者

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如来即有我人众生寿者

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拿禅宗里的话说这叫做

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一个棺材两个死汉一个说你是

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被我度的一个说我需要

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佛来度大禅师们会说

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这两个都是没有悟道的佛也

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讲嘛第一我没有度过一个人

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你不要有这个观念什么理由呢

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世界上没有一个众生需要佛来

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度的这个文字摆在这里对不对

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我们自己研究还有佛说如果有人

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因我度他而成了佛

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这个佛就不是佛了而是个

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非常普通的人因为这个佛已经是有

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我相人相众生相寿者

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相的人了所以我经常告诉

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大家不要什么顶礼啦磕头啦好

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麻烦我一生最怕这个事碰到

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人家合掌我现在都有点马上出汗

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很麻烦还要答礼干脆像现在人

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眼睛一瞪注目礼很好嘛意思

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到了就行了如果说磕

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个头认为我是老师该受这

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一拜的话十八层地狱都不够不过不要紧

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据说现在地狱里头还有地下室那就

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该要下地狱的地下室去了

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一个人如果自觉有道足以为人

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师如果有这一念的存在

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他再有道也不值钱了

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真正足以为人之师真正足以度

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人他必定已经证到空的

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境界了何以会有自我崇高的

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观念呢绝对不会因为他自己已经

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没有这个观念了而一切众生人我

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平等所以佛说佛如果有这样

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一个观念也就不叫做佛了

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他处处著相觉得我是佛

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我是老师你们通通是我的

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子民你们都是我的信徒那他

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就绝对不是佛了说到信徒

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这个名词是很难听的佛教里

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从来没有这个名词只有信众曾经听到

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佛教界有人用徒众这两个字听

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得我一个头八个大连信众这种

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说法都算是很严重的了过去

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大陆随便哪一个庙子对信众都是

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称居士的我在峨眉山时老

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和尚看到猴子出来就说猴居士

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出来了蛇来了蛇居士来

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了从没有说猴众猴徒

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蛇徒没有这样说的老和尚

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的声音使人一听肃然起敬看

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一切众生平等猴居士蛇居士这个是

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佛法的精神佛法如果还有统治性那

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怎么会是佛的精神呢希望

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修正修正不要犯这个错误佛现在

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讲假定他有一个观念认为众生

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是受他的教化而得道的

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这些人是他的徒弟应该对

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他如此如彼的恭敬假如他有这样

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观念的话完了即有我人众生

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寿者那不算成佛好佛

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啊我们了解啦你老人家谦虚不

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承认自己在度人实际上我们是受

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你度的你谦虚那是你

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的嘛我恭敬我的各走各的路

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没有错但是有一个问题没有解决

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你说世界上没有一个众生需要

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佛来度的这是个问题啊

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不过这个大问题佛在下面解答

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了自己的解脱须菩提如来说有

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我者即非有我而凡夫

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之人以为有我须菩提凡夫

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者如来说即非凡夫是名

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凡夫他说所谓人有众生就

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有人真正的佛法教我们一件事

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八万四千法门只教我们一件事就

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是如何证到自己真正无我

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那就成功了这很简单修行

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只修行一件事修到真正的

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无我既然无我了我当然

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不需要佛度呀我本来就

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是佛嘛佛有这个度人之

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相佛就着了人相我

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相我如果真正能够悟道就是

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无我就没有被你可度

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之处

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所以佛说的没有错没有一个

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众生需要我度再彻底的讲

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佛说了八万四千法门把他老人家

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修道证道的法门通通告诉我们了

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你依照这个样子做你一样可以

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成佛他没有办法帮你成佛要

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自性自度他没有办法替你

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修啊修要自己修修成功

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自度了是你自修自度

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自性自度所以佛说的是

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老实话他说没有一个众生是

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需要我度的我也不能度

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呀必须他自己有信心自修自

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度自性自度所以他的话

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一点都没有错不过他表达的

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方法是语出惊人每一句话说

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出来都很难解其实道理很

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简单人人都要自求解脱自性自

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度自我得救谁都救不了你

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求上天的保佑菩萨保佑保佑不了

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的不要迷信啦只有自助天助

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自求多福你要想菩萨保佑你要

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先保佑自己怎么保佑自己呢行

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一切善法那么自助就天助

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了佛菩萨与你中间的电线电波

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就接得上了你一天到晚去

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杀人放火然后说菩萨保佑我你自己

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也知道那是不可能的所以佛

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告诉我们没有一个众生他可以度

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的众生都是自性自度他说

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什么叫做我呢一切众生本来无我

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这是佛法佛法三藏十二部经典总归起来

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就是告诉我们这句话本来

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无我啊就是我们做不到

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做到了个个成佛佛又说如来

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说有我者即非有我

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而凡夫之人以为有我凡夫

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就是一般人是佛经翻译的

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名词现在我们一听到凡夫好像在

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骂人如果我们随便对朋友说你

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是凡夫他肚子里头一定不高兴

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你好看不起我一般人你告诉他

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无我他就害怕因为人都

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要贪着我究竟哪个是我

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呢佛经告诉我们人体是三十六样东西

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凑拢来没有一样东西是我的

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拿现在来讲更严重了人体上

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许多的细胞都是我每一个细胞

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都不是我你说我在哪里

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身体上没有我死了以后我

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到哪里去了说灵魂是我

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你看到灵魂了吗一声青

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磬万缘醒就是这个境界这

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一声敲了以后无我本来

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就是什么都无我没有一样

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是我这个无我的境界佛

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只好分析给我听所以我们学

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禅啊打坐啊求证一个什么东西

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呢就是求证到一个无我就

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成佛了结果大家打起坐来

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在里头嘀咕都在玩我不然

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就玩呼吸来呀去呀好像

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在那里数钱一二三四又数息又

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观第一口呼吸早就跑掉了你

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后面数到一千一口呼吸也留

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不住呀在那里干什么呢所以都

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在玩我做不到无我

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不能证得佛法无我以后佛

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刚才提出一个问题凡夫之人以为

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真有一个我的存在等到肉体

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死亡了抓不住了还要抓个

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灵魂其实那个灵魂也是自己意识境界

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偶然的存在还不是真的我

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还不是这个但是凡夫之人总归

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要抓一个有相的我都

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抓错了真做到四大相皆空

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就是人我众生寿者皆

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空的时候可以找到生命本来的

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自我了那个自我是假称的叫

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他自我也不对叫他是佛

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也不对叫他菩提也不对各种

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名称都不对现在讲到这个地方

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佛又加以解说他提出来须菩提

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凡夫者如来说即非凡夫是

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名凡夫为什么他要加这个尾巴

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呢因为他说了一个尾巴怕

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大家又抓住它我们也看到过

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很多学佛的他也不敢承认自己

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是圣人那你就当凡夫好

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了他肚子里又不服气不肯

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做凡夫所以一般学佛学道的

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人很可怜在圣人凡夫之间就

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像公园里小孩子玩秋千荡过来

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荡过去永远下不了台挂在空中甩

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佛告诉我们所谓凡夫者本来是个

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假名没有真正什么凡夫假名叫做凡夫

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而已换句话说严重的讲一切众生都是佛

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只是众生找不到自己的本性

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找到了就不是凡夫个个是佛

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众生平等所以后世禅宗经典心佛

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众生三无差别心即是佛

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悟道了此心即是佛没有

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悟道佛也是凡夫心佛众生三无

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差别三样平等那么这一品说

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完了吗没有完还有个重大的

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问题在里头我们现在再回过

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头来看这一品开头的

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话须菩提于意云何汝等

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勿谓如来作是念我当

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度众生重点在这个我字上

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佛说我没有度众生文字是

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那么解释佛为什么那么讲呢全篇

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的意思告诉我们人悟到了真正

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的无我修持证到了真正

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的无我就是佛了这个

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佛无我自然无众生无寿

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者这就是佛境界所以做到

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了无我就是佛境界一切

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凡夫都有我相人相众生

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相寿者相接着一切观念的

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执著都是因为有我而来那么真正无

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我就是佛境界但是无我

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以后叫什么呢注意啊一般研究

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佛学的人听到无我下意识给

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它下一个注解空的佛没有

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这样说他只说无我而已

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这个空的是你加的如果

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真正能把凡夫境界有我的

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观念通通放弃了所谓放下放下放

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到无可放处找到生命本来

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勉强才可以叫那个是我们生命

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的真我那就是佛境界但是

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在本经上佛不说出

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一个真我的名字那么你就要看

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全部的佛经了全部佛经总归起来

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三藏十二部实际上有些真的有些假

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的所谓假的并不是什么假的

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是后来佛弟子们自己修持到

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了所写的经典假托也是佛

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说的这很有可能这些笼统

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的算进去佛经大概有五千多部

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过去有些人念经为了自己念为了

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父母念要念一藏经一藏经就是

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五千卷大藏经佛的这一部分是五千卷

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后世弟子们作的论乃至佛经

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的注解未算在内如果通通把

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它算在内连后世的也都

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加进去现在一共有一万三四千卷了越来越

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多佛说法四十九年这么多的经典

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中他的几个要点是世间一切

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无常都靠不住都要变去都

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不属于我的人世间一切皆苦没有究竟

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的快乐没有究竟的幸福一切皆空

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一切都无法把握都要变去

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了变去了都抓不住抓不住的

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那个情况那个境界定个名词叫做

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空所以说无常苦空无我

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本来无我这是所有佛说的

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都是这样佛在世的时候许多佛的

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弟子们依他所教示的方法

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修持都证到了无我的境界

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脱离了苦空无我的束缚但是

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也因此之故都落于偏空

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之果这是我们后世佛学给它

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加上的就是偏向于消极的

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空佛到了八十一岁他老人家要

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请假走路了请长假了懒得再教

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了快涅槃了这个时候他告诉

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我们相反的四个字常乐我

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净与他平常所讲的完全

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相反最后他又告诉我们真做到

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了无我相无人相无众生

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相无寿者相修持到一切

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放下了连空也空了空

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到了最彻底你找到生命的

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本源这个生命的本源永恒不变

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但是这不是像人世间有个不

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变的东西一样那样了解又错

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了那是属于真常唯心论属于外道

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的说法佛说的这个常是

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对无常而言金刚经后面就给我们

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解释了乐不是苦的得道的

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人离苦了一般认为得了道

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的人一天到晚都是快乐那会把

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你乐死的譬如我们头痛当然

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很难过了但是痛个六七天也

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痛不死你说头不痛

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了我的头好快乐啊快乐

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得不得了真这样快乐的话这个人

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不到三天一定发了疯苦

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乐是相对的现象着了相

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就会发疯所以什么是乐无

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苦即是乐清净之乐清净

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没有境界所以这个乐不是世间看

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的乐是常乐这个时候是

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真正的我了不生不灭这是不生不灭之我并

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没有像我们现在世俗的观念有

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个我相的存在所以这个我是

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干干净净的所谓净土没有一个净的

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境界你说我们的地下很干净

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呀这不算净你说虚空

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很干净虚空才不干净呢物理

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科学家都知道虚空里有很多东西

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真正的虚空是看不见的那个

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是无善亦无恶无苦

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亦无乐那是真正的乐

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那个是佛境界本篇所讲

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化无所化是这样一个道理

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我们了解了这样一个道理给它

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作一个结论偈语第二十五品偈颂同

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为物化到娑婆忧乐无端且

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放歌钟鼓歇时魔舞散悠然

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一曲定风波同为物化到

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娑婆我们一切众生都是物化这个世界叫

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娑婆世界老庄的观念宇宙是一个大

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化学炉我们是其中的化学物质

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而已草木蚂蚁蝼虫都是宇宙大锅炉里

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所化的一点点所以叫做物化中国

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固有的文化人死了叫做物化

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了就是物质变化了这个身体

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生命死了而变化骨头变成灰

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呀肉变成水呀质能互变

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它的能量还是存在的不过形象

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变化而已所以叫做物化一切众生都到

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这个娑婆世界来都在物化都在

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唱戏忧乐无端且放歌可是大家

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忘记了自己是在唱戏而且更

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不会自己欣赏自导自演结果

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唱啊唱啊自己还真掉

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起眼泪来了唱到高兴的

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时候自己把肚子笑痛了被

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自己骗了骗了几十年一切忧愁

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烦恼一切的痛苦快乐都是莫名其妙的

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事无端没有理由你看通了这个

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道理就要逍遥一点爱跳舞就跳舞

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爱唱歌就唱歌就是解脱了

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人世间的一切庙子上打钟打鼓敲引磬

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念经我们在这个十一楼念金刚经清清净净

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隔几条街有人家还在那里跳舞

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蹦擦蹦擦呢他们同我们

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也差不多各有各的境界我们

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钟鼓打完了他们的歌舞也

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打烊了最后大家都回去进入那个

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黑洞洞的地方去钟鼓歇时魔

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舞散最后清净与不清净善

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与恶都了不可得悠然一

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曲定风波你懂得一切了不可得

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一切不著相就到家了定风波本来

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是古代一首歌曲的名称现在

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我们不讲这个歌曲的本身借

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这个歌曲的名称来说明这个意义

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一切风波稳定钟鼓也不敲魔

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舞也不跳歌舞皆散