1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:05,325 第三十一品知见不生须菩提若人言佛说我 2 00:00:05,325 --> 00:00:08,599 见人见众生见寿者见 3 00:00:09,150 --> 00:00:12,675 须菩提于意云何是人解我 4 00:00:12,687 --> 00:00:15,974 所说义不不也世尊是 5 00:00:15,974 --> 00:00:18,487 人不解如来所说义何以故 6 00:00:19,037 --> 00:00:22,262 世尊说我见人见众生见 7 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:25,024 寿者见即非我见人 8 00:00:25,024 --> 00:00:28,112 见众生见寿者见是名 9 00:00:28,125 --> 00:00:31,287 我见人见众生见寿者 10 00:00:31,287 --> 00:00:35,975 见须菩提发阿耨多罗三藐三菩提心者于一切 11 00:00:35,975 --> 00:00:39,649 法应如是知如是见如是信解 12 00:00:39,875 --> 00:00:43,487 不生法相须菩提所言法相者 13 00:00:43,787 --> 00:00:46,350 如来说即非法相是名法相 14 00:00:46,924 --> 00:00:48,787 取我是垢不取我是 15 00:00:48,787 --> 00:00:52,312 净须菩提若人言佛说我见 16 00:00:52,662 --> 00:00:56,712 人见众生见寿者见须菩提 17 00:00:57,125 --> 00:00:59,600 于意云何是人解我所 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,837 说义不不也世尊是人 19 00:01:02,862 --> 00:01:06,174 不解如来所说义何以故世尊 20 00:01:06,174 --> 00:01:09,562 说我见人见众生见寿 21 00:01:09,562 --> 00:01:12,000 者见即非我见人见 22 00:01:12,337 --> 00:01:14,962 众生见寿者见是名我 23 00:01:14,962 --> 00:01:18,224 见人见众生见寿者见 24 00:01:18,775 --> 00:01:21,450 须菩提若有人言佛所说的 25 00:01:21,562 --> 00:01:24,724 我见人见众生见寿者 26 00:01:24,724 --> 00:01:28,450 见是有的须菩提你怎么认为这些 27 00:01:28,450 --> 00:01:31,025 人是否通达了我的密意须菩提 28 00:01:31,037 --> 00:01:34,474 回答没有通达因为您所说的 29 00:01:34,487 --> 00:01:36,900 这些法只是暂时引导众生的一种 30 00:01:36,924 --> 00:01:39,900 方便而已如果他们这样认为就无法 31 00:01:39,912 --> 00:01:42,200 了达如来所说之经义因为我 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,512 见人见众生见寿者见 33 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:48,437 实际上并不存在只是在名言中 34 00:01:48,549 --> 00:01:51,400 安立为我见人见众生见 35 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:54,474 寿者见假如认为这些实有 36 00:01:54,762 --> 00:01:57,575 则会成为修道的障碍佛陀为什么 37 00:01:57,587 --> 00:02:00,200 提出这个问题呢因为佛为了调化 38 00:02:00,224 --> 00:02:02,724 不同根基的众生曾宣说了不同 39 00:02:02,724 --> 00:02:06,437 的法门比如在初学者面前讲过 40 00:02:06,437 --> 00:02:09,812 有我的法门小乘阿含经毗奈耶经 41 00:02:09,974 --> 00:02:12,099 中说我在实相中是存在 42 00:02:12,099 --> 00:02:14,525 的而且在很多公案中佛也 43 00:02:14,537 --> 00:02:16,662 说了我的眷属我的施主 44 00:02:16,912 --> 00:02:19,337 我在因地时转生为什么有时候还 45 00:02:19,337 --> 00:02:21,787 会说我头痛是因为以前当 46 00:02:21,787 --> 00:02:25,425 渔夫儿子时如何如何因此释迦牟尼佛 47 00:02:25,449 --> 00:02:27,500 在有关经典中确实讲过我 48 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:30,712 见人见众生见寿者见 49 00:02:31,074 --> 00:02:33,900 有些人就认为这是合理的然而 50 00:02:34,312 --> 00:02:36,787 这是不是佛最究竟的观点呢 51 00:02:37,349 --> 00:02:39,900 须菩提说这些人并未通达佛 52 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:43,625 的密意例如如来藏经中虽然说我 53 00:02:43,637 --> 00:02:46,224 是常有众生的佛性不变但 54 00:02:46,237 --> 00:02:48,337 这是从第三转法轮的光明分来讲 55 00:02:48,337 --> 00:02:50,662 的若从第二转法轮的空性 56 00:02:50,675 --> 00:02:53,474 分抉择这些也不是真实存在就 57 00:02:53,474 --> 00:02:56,037 如维摩诘经云取我是垢 58 00:02:56,237 --> 00:02:58,537 不取我是净对于四见 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,087 六祖是这样解释的我见认为 60 00:03:02,112 --> 00:03:05,400 如来藏的本体实有存在人见 61 00:03:05,962 --> 00:03:08,300 认为众生的无漏本性实有 62 00:03:08,312 --> 00:03:12,962 存在众生见众生的烦恼本来清净认为 63 00:03:12,962 --> 00:03:17,512 此清净部分实有存在寿者见一切众生 64 00:03:17,537 --> 00:03:20,937 在实相中不生不灭认为不生不灭实有 65 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:24,175 存在六祖解释的文字不多意义 66 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:27,437 却相当甚深极为究竟明白这个 67 00:03:27,437 --> 00:03:29,687 道理以后就会知道佛为什么说 68 00:03:29,712 --> 00:03:32,800 我见人见众生见寿者 69 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,925 见即非我见人见众生 70 00:03:35,925 --> 00:03:39,262 见寿者见佛陀最究竟最 71 00:03:39,262 --> 00:03:41,412 甚深的法要全部可以包括在 72 00:03:41,437 --> 00:03:43,637 无我空性中它能毁坏一切 73 00:03:43,650 --> 00:03:47,637 邪见诚如四百论所言空无我 74 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:50,362 妙理诸佛真境界能坏众 75 00:03:50,362 --> 00:03:53,262 恶见涅槃不二门既然四见 76 00:03:53,287 --> 00:03:57,037 本来没有为什么佛陀还要宣说呢在 77 00:03:57,062 --> 00:03:59,449 入中论中月称论师有很好 78 00:03:59,449 --> 00:04:01,512 的解释如佛虽离萨迦见 79 00:04:01,775 --> 00:04:03,724 亦尝说我及我所如是 80 00:04:03,737 --> 00:04:05,512 诸法无自性不了义经亦 81 00:04:05,512 --> 00:04:07,812 说有佛陀虽然已没有萨迦耶 82 00:04:07,812 --> 00:04:10,112 见但显现上经常说有我 83 00:04:10,112 --> 00:04:12,675 和我所同理诸法本来无 84 00:04:12,675 --> 00:04:14,712 有任何自性但在不了义经 85 00:04:14,712 --> 00:04:17,362 中针对相应众生的根基佛也 86 00:04:17,375 --> 00:04:19,837 常说自性实有我是存在 87 00:04:19,837 --> 00:04:23,300 的总而言之四见在名言中存在 88 00:04:23,524 --> 00:04:25,875 胜义中不存在这里主要是 89 00:04:25,875 --> 00:04:28,524 讲见解方面从见解上抉择人 90 00:04:28,537 --> 00:04:30,462 无我和法无我在内心 91 00:04:30,462 --> 00:04:33,475 中树立究竟正见非常重要先听 92 00:04:33,737 --> 00:04:37,975 再思后修下面作结论须菩提 93 00:04:38,225 --> 00:04:41,962 发阿耨多罗三藐三菩提心者于一切法应 94 00:04:41,975 --> 00:04:45,412 如是知如是见如是信解不生 95 00:04:45,412 --> 00:04:49,037 法相须菩提凡是发了无上正等正觉 96 00:04:49,037 --> 00:04:51,412 心的人对一切法应当如是 97 00:04:51,412 --> 00:04:54,837 了知如是照见如是信解这样 98 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:57,087 才能获得不生法相远离戏论的 99 00:04:57,100 --> 00:04:59,850 境界本经的教言主要是破 100 00:04:59,850 --> 00:05:02,812 相执故有些禅宗大德又称 101 00:05:02,875 --> 00:05:06,862 金刚经为破相论对金刚经来讲 102 00:05:07,212 --> 00:05:09,324 这一段教言是最深的如同 103 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:12,037 传大圆满时上师为弟子直指 104 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:14,387 心性一样我们学了这么殊胜的 105 00:05:14,412 --> 00:05:17,050 大乘佛法应该将法融入自心 106 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:19,899 对法性多多少少有一点认识知道诸 107 00:05:19,899 --> 00:05:22,112 法实相是什么样的没有相状 108 00:05:22,212 --> 00:05:24,587 到底是怎么一回事不管学什么法门 109 00:05:24,699 --> 00:05:27,425 都应该有如饮甘露的感觉假如 110 00:05:27,425 --> 00:05:29,937 没有好好吸收一旦遇到烦恼违缘 111 00:05:30,137 --> 00:05:31,487 听了多少法也用不上 112 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:34,925 如是知指闻所生慧发 113 00:05:34,925 --> 00:05:37,100 了菩提心的人首先要在上师 114 00:05:37,112 --> 00:05:41,125 面前如理听闻而了知如是见指思所 115 00:05:41,125 --> 00:05:44,512 生慧听闻后反反复复在心里思维 116 00:05:44,875 --> 00:05:47,487 基本能通达诸法的本性如是 117 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:50,262 信解指修所生慧因为 118 00:05:50,287 --> 00:05:52,337 所通达的意义一会儿就消失了 119 00:05:52,687 --> 00:05:55,187 故而需要再三修持以此获得不 120 00:05:55,187 --> 00:05:57,925 退转的信解首先了知然后 121 00:05:57,937 --> 00:06:00,899 通达最后信解通过闻思修这三 122 00:06:00,899 --> 00:06:03,449 方面得到的结果是了了分明 123 00:06:03,637 --> 00:06:05,737 现而无自性的般若空性自然 124 00:06:05,750 --> 00:06:08,500 显现这一段的涵义相当甚深 125 00:06:08,850 --> 00:06:11,187 禅宗也有大德依此而获得开悟 126 00:06:11,187 --> 00:06:14,837 的大愚守芝禅师他有个弟子每天 127 00:06:14,837 --> 00:06:18,425 念100遍金刚经一天禅师问他 128 00:06:18,625 --> 00:06:21,975 你每天念这么多遍金刚经到底 129 00:06:21,987 --> 00:06:23,774 说了什么他一句也答 130 00:06:23,774 --> 00:06:26,725 不出来禅师说你不用念太 131 00:06:26,725 --> 00:06:29,437 多每天念的时候应该观想一下 132 00:06:29,462 --> 00:06:32,937 其中涵义于是他听从教诲内心努力 133 00:06:32,949 --> 00:06:36,212 体会法义每天只念一遍直到 134 00:06:36,225 --> 00:06:38,524 有一次当念到应如是知 135 00:06:38,837 --> 00:06:41,774 如是见如是信解时他顿然 136 00:06:41,787 --> 00:06:46,112 开悟了无相之相方为实相须菩 137 00:06:46,112 --> 00:06:48,937 提所言法相者如来说即 138 00:06:48,937 --> 00:06:52,875 非法相是名法相须菩提如来 139 00:06:52,887 --> 00:06:54,750 在诸多经典中所说的法相 140 00:06:54,912 --> 00:06:57,487 胜义中并不是法相名言中可以 141 00:06:57,487 --> 00:07:00,737 说为法相佛陀在华严经中讲 142 00:07:00,737 --> 00:07:02,750 了六种相解深密经中 143 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:05,024 讲了三种相金刚经中讲了 144 00:07:05,037 --> 00:07:07,574 四种相大智度论中也讲了三种 145 00:07:07,574 --> 00:07:09,975 相但不论相有多少这一切 146 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,024 在胜义中全没有都是虚妄 147 00:07:12,024 --> 00:07:14,649 的无相之相方为最 148 00:07:14,649 --> 00:07:17,587 究竟的相六祖坛经中也说 149 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:20,812 无相为体倘若没有离相就 150 00:07:20,824 --> 00:07:22,225 无法证悟人无我和法无 151 00:07:22,225 --> 00:07:24,475 我也不可能现前自然本智